What impact does the flow of energy throughout the year have on our creativity? How can we harness this and use it to support our creativity flow? In this very special first guest interview with Emily Tuck, we’ll be hearing how the festival of Imbolc on 1st February can impact our creativity and what shifts it can create in our mindset and energy.
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Camilla Fellas Arnold
Welcome to Creative Power, a podcast designed to help you claim the full spectrum of your creative potential. I’m Camilla, fellas Arnold, and I’m passionate about discussing how we change the face of both the creative industries, and how we interact with creativity itself, so that it nourishes our soul, and helps us express ourselves with alignment, flow and authenticity. Let’s get started.
Welcome to Creative Power. Today, I wanted to continue the conversation that we started last week, where I was talking about our seasons of creativity, and how and what can affect our creative flow. One thing that can affect this flow is the seasons and energy of the year. And I wanted to highlight that in today’s episode, because it’s the first of February, which is Imbolc, in the pagan calendar. So personally, and historically, I haven’t followed the pagan Wheel of the Year until the last year or two. When I did, I started to notice just how much much of it really does coincide with our shifts in energy and focus. So we thought today would be a really great day to have our first guest to the podcast and hear from my collaborative partner. The fabulously knowledgeable Emily tuck, as she explains a little bit more about Imbolc and what it means for us as creatives. So on that note, welcome, Emily, can you tell us a little bit more about who you are and what you do?
Emily Tuck
Hi, Camilla, thank you so much for inviting me to be a guest. This is my first guesting experience. So hopefully, we’ll go survive. I wanted. So my name is Ma talk. I am a coach and kinesiology. So there’s a lot of people that call themselves a coach. And I’ve used my experience as a holistic practitioner of Kinesiology. So I do lots of different lefties one of my modalities, lots of different things. And I’ve blended them together to create coaching programmes that specialise in introducing people to Lilith, who is a got an unknown, relatively unknown goddess. She’s also known as the first wife of Adam. But the reason that I specialised with her, or I’ve ended up working with her is that she impacts our relationships, our intimacy, the legacies we leave to the world and creativity, hence why I’m kind of on your show today to share that with us, with your audience. Because she shows up when people are about to begin a burst of creativity, and helps to guide them through the process. So when we’ve spoken about this 1000 lifetimes of people speeding last year, we spoke about the idea that it would be useful to come on your show. So thank you so much for inviting me.
Camilla Fellas Arnold
It’s a pleasure. Thank you so much for coming. And at some point, we will be doing more episodes together talking about Lilith, specifically with creativity because it’s fascinating that so last week, the reason you’re here today is I was talking about seasons of creativity and this, this ebb and flow of how it comes to us. And then it goes away and we feel restricted. And there’s obstacles and we’re energised. So I was talking about that in terms of internally, but also externally, what can affect us. And I was thinking about as we were coming up to invoke the pagan Wheel of the Year, what are we moving into? Can you tell us more about the pagan Wheel of the Year?
Emily Tuck
Cause so just to give some context, I’m also not a pagan either, I was raised as a Catholic. So it is just watching those rhythms. But I’ve always been fascinated by them. So and watching the rhythms of the year, so I’m not speaking of the pagan just to be clear. Essentially, there are four major festivals or four major points in the year. And they all share a midpoint between these major festivals, which is known as a solstice. So some people know about things like the winter solstice, the spring Solstice, that sort of thing. But they’re actually the minor events that sit around these four festivals. Depending on which side of the hemisphere you’re on, you’re either doing one or the other because you’re either in your winter We’re in the summer. So we in the northern hemisphere at the moment, we’re on the tomorrow, water the is the first of February, it’s in bulk. And that is the very, very beginning of spring, essentially, it’s not quite springtime, it’s the lambs are out and about doing things, the Cavs have been born, that comes in about six or seven weeks time. But there is a beginning of a stirring, I remember seeing an image for invoke, and it was a picture of a woman in hibernation underneath the tree root. So imagine that she’s gone into hibernation during the winter in the tree roots. And she was stretching up as if to break the soil, not yet. But she was beginning to think about staring. So emotionally, it’s a bit like that bit where you wake up in the morning, and then you kind of go on and call it back under the duvet for another 25 minutes. Because the thing you need most after an eight hour sleep, isn’t it for 25 minutes. What it does, is it’s like I’m almost ready. But I’m not I haven’t got that forward momentum yet. But what it also does is it’s not quite the depths of winter, it’s not the depth of Christmas, where you just ever leave the house is cold, it’s I don’t want to know it’s the shortest day you beginning to come out of your shell a little. So, for me, Imbolc has a really interesting time because we all start our new year’s resolutions on the first of January because we think it’s a great idea. And actually not really the reason you go to the gym for about two and a half minutes, and can’t be bothered and get to the end of January and wonder what the hell you’re doing is because the the forward energy of creating something new self haven’t started yet. You’re not ready. So this is an opportunity to revisit those New Year’s resolutions, we’ll revisit, what do you want to do in 2022? I found this time last year that I was presented with quite the crossroads. And what was I going to do? Was I going to say yes to this possibility of my future self or they’re going to find I chose to say yes, and it has rippled for the whole of the 12 months and continues to do so this is a really interesting opportunity to think about where do I want to be? What do I want to become. And then as you move through the year, every 1312 13 weeks or so, you hit another major festival, and they have a completely different energy to them. So they become about whether we’re hiring activity and the height of the summer. I’ll be harvesting when we come round to kind of August time, and we’re bringing in the harvest of what we’ve set our intentions in bulk. Six months later while we were harvesting. And then what do we need to let die as we come into the beginning of the winter, in order that we can plant seeds that we can harvest in the next six weeks. So it’s a real opportunity to take a review and go what do I want. So we can use it all year. And you and I used it very, very much this year, we kind of learned as we went. But one of the things I noticed was that when we were looking at what we’re going to do next in our respective businesses where we can support one another what was our next actions. About every six weeks, we kind of lost sight, not lost sight, but we lost our momentum. And you and I learned to fall once we looked at what were those natural foods. And I remember the first of May last year was Beltane. And it was the first chance we’d had a chance to look at this. Because we hit the fast February this time last year, we hit the first of February. Without knowing it. We hit it running. And we hit them in and we were dealing with whatever was coming up emotionally, whatever we were creating whatever the world was telling us.
We didn’t have time to catch your breath. We kept going. And what happened was we hit the first of May. And I remember the phone call you and I had going on. I remember that. In a way we were right. Because the energy that had kept us going through from invoke all the way through energy had changed. Something felt off something felt different if we kept going in the same way. We weren’t going to go and what you and I did was we took the weekend off without tools whatsoever from the laptops. We didn’t take a phone call from a retailer and we just did nothing. But we could come back a couple of days later. I look with fresh eyes with the new energy of the new season. With everything that we had. By the end of the year, we’d actually built a ritual around that. So we looked at those ebbs and flows. And we use them constructively. The back end of the year, we got to maybe not knowing what we were doing. But you and I started carving that out, consciously and actively. And that’s part of what I think we want to share with your readers, to your listeners today and your people that are interested in what you do. Because I say readers because you’re writing something. But I want to be able to show you how to use it. Absolutely. We did it. reactively.
Camilla Fellas Arnold
Yes, we did. So how do you think creatives specifically can use this Wheel of the Year and apply it to their practice.
Emily Tuck
So if you’re using the wheel of the whole year, there will be times when your creative concepts are incubating. When it feels like there’s not a lot going on on the surface, maybe you haven’t been there a paintbrush, maybe you haven’t picked up a pen. Maybe when a when a chalk rolls for while maybe you put your cross stitch in the cupboard, just doesn’t feel like the energy of the creative thing is coming to meet you. I remember reading somewhere in a book about the idea of waiting in the creative desert for the creativity of the thing to come and meet you. And also this idea, I think Liz Gilbert talks about in big magic about how creative ideas make a contract with you. And it’s up to you whether you take them up. So this idea of there are certain times when it’s time to just let that sit and read the contract and then wait for the energy to be right. So Imbolc is about what we’re choosing why green? Now the rest of the year, we’ll put that emotion. But what am I choosing to put in, I don’t know the how yet have no clue about the steps. And I know who’s going to help me do it. By I’m agreeing to who achieves to be there to read what used to be for this point in my creative project. And as you enjoy sherbet, as you come through the year, then there’s a season of high activity. And it’s like doo doo doo. And then there’s the harvest, and what about what the show for my six months of work. And that’s kind of run the harvest time. And then having done so what’s the editing what needs taking out because really, it’s it’s dead when we separate the wheat from the chaff. And then I’m not ready for the next project yet. So I need to now sit in this, let the project finish and really let it sit. And it’s okay to not do anything with it. And maybe it’s gone on exhibition. And maybe it’s gone to publishers. But the energy has run out. And I remember last year writing something. And I something happened and I needed to write the story works fresh, and I sat and I could not put the pen down for five days. Wow. I was writing constantly for five years. And I didn’t think of myself as a writer at the time. I just needed to get it out. But I remember the moment when the pen stopped writing. And I say that. And I don’t mean I stopped writing. I mean the energy just run out on the thing. And I put the pen down and I said and now I haven’t looked at that project again for the whole year. But I know that when I’m ready to pick it back up again. I just felt it finished I felt it obviously was done. So it’s allowing yourself permission, I guess. There’s a times when it can incubate. And it doesn’t mean that because you haven’t written for a day you’re not a writer, or because you haven’t painted in a month, but that means your talents gone down the toilet. Maybe it’s an incubation phase. Maybe it’s maybe you’re spending this time. You talked to me about it before this idea of collecting all the pieces. Yes, a little piece of almost like a collage or a piece of fabric or thing and you’re going around like a magpie picking up things and you don’t know why they fit together. But you just collect them. Maybe this is the bit where you’re collecting things. I don’t know what Jigsaw This is making. But if something I’m just following the breadcrumbs right now. That’s what inbox will because we’re not ready to do. But I’ll just put it together. And I’ll put it all in my little box of tricks or I’ll put it all in my collaging book. So if you’re into dress, making it your dress up box and your fabric, what you’ve done is allowed that time to take you into the next phase. And when you’re ready, you’ll take the next
Camilla Fellas Arnold
jump. I’ve experienced that myself. Because last year I mapped out I did some outlines for some books, which at some point I will write and I felt at the same time I was writing some courses As I’m for some reason, neither of these things can get over the line. Even though I had the outlines, I knew exactly what I was going to put in them, I just could not get started. And it wasn’t until we’ve kind of come round into this new year. And I had this moment of clarity, where suddenly, I saw, Oh, there was a bit I was missing. And you just kind of sit on it. And you’re like, I was, I was very frustrated with myself, like, why can’t I just get this done? Because I plan, I know what I’m going to do. And I really just could not get it together. But then, when I saw that missing piece, suddenly I realised that actually, I’ve been trying to force something to happen, that wasn’t quite ready yet. I was missing like this little piece that would add richness added depth to what I was trying to create, I think is really, really important. And also something that we put too much pressure on ourselves to, as soon as we have the idea, we have to put it out there. And what I’m hearing from you is, actually no, it’s okay. This is what we were talking about with seasons and creativity last week, it’s okay to not be writing right now. It’s okay to sit on the idea. And let it incubate and grow and add depth and flavour. I mean, think about it in terms of cooking, you’ll put something in a marinate and you won’t just cook it immediately, you’ll let it soak up all that labour and develop. But as creators, we forget to do that.
Emily Tuck
Well, the way I think about it, and it’s just occurred to me, as you’ve described to the patient, we have been around for however many 1000s of years, these people didn’t have a microwave or a pressure cooker. They did stuff in the stew, like five hours, and then you hate to let it marinate, you let it you know. And I was listening to comedian account for life. remember who it was, but I have a feeling it within more and but the idea was that, while these things are marinated, and being made, and being created, whether it was the Celtic rush to, or whether it was like roast beef, that took three and a half hours in the afternoon, wherever it was, in that time, the people had time to write the poetry, do the paintings. And then what and then he then suddenly went, and then you know you’ve got but she’s on types told us that for a second, there was a time to write in unity, or you know, a thesis on something because there was no time to let it marinate. And she’s always done much
Camilla Fellas Arnold
in this world of instant gratification. And everything’s got to be done now now. And it’s speed. And I think we have lost the idea of creativity can take time, it’s okay, that it takes time. And I think what we’re trying to say in this episode is let yourself have that time feel into those rhythms of the year. And like listen to what Imbolc has to say what kind of shifts it’s going to bring us for our energy right now, I
Emily Tuck
think, to me is that there are certain bits that happen at certain times for a reason. As you say, we live in a world where everything’s now now. And everything’s in a hurry, and everything as if it hasn’t happened, like straight away. But you and I joined 2021 you when I lived the programmes that I have gone on, and Bill and I now have mentioned to other people. But unless we had taken the time to live it. We even had something like that the other day, we were doing something, and we were working on a project together. And it just evolved, the thing almost happened to us. And we sat there and when I don’t know what it is we’ve just done. On the surface, we were completing some paperwork. But on the back end of it. I had seen in the corner of my life, something that you and I will use for the rest of our lives. We were celebrating life. I don’t know what it is I’ve seen it’s in the corner of my eye. And if you asked me to come up with anything that sounds coherent on this podcast, I’ve wasted because I don’t know enough about what I’ve seen. But I know enough about the rhythms that will sit. There’s almost like it’s in bulk phase. So I’m gonna wait. But when I meet again, in 12 weeks time or six months, or a year’s time, I will be able to ask that’s the next piece I need to this. And as I go through it, I’ll know when the time is right. And then when the time’s right the harvest what we just saw. But I also know don’t beat yourself up when I can’t. I’m not trying to make it make sense tomorrow. Because I know that I haven’t Let it go. And it will come right around. So it gives you permission to let those flows happen. And naturally let those flows inform what you do spend time on. Because you can also feel when something is finished. You and I spoke about this more recently, but the I sometimes we need to let things go as well as you come up to invoke what has happened since Christmas. And since the winter solstice that really said, it’s died, if I drag this and carry the So just as we want everything now Now, we also think we have to carry everything with us forever and ever. So there’s our creativity does that project need to be put to bed? Actually, you know what, it’s not ready to come out. But it’s also in its current form is that if there’s anything worth keeping, it’ll come back around. And if not, it’ll just go away. But actually, this thing, if I carry this thing with me, instead, I was doing a project, and I just was like, I hate this product. I thought I loved it, it filled me with joy. And now if I look at this piece of paper, I’m gonna stab someone in the face, possibly myself. And that’s not how people want to feel about their creative endeavours. It’s not how they want to feel when they feel the flow of inspiration running through them. Actually, by the time I finished painting this thing or writing this book, if I ever see it, it’ll be too long ago. You know, what level of creativity to be an obligation just because you didn’t have the brace to let it die when its current form is phase with that doesn’t mean the whole project fit in trying to either carry everything with this, or have it done yesterday, or in advance of the natural flows, I think. So it was just as important. And so you and I have now started to use these phrases. So this episode goes out on the first of February. And you and I have booked an hour. And we will spend time looking both strategically or what’s our next moves for the next six weeks. But also energetically, what is that? We need to release, we do a ritual this, almost like a forgiveness and gratitude ritual of what have we done in the last six weeks? What are we going to be doing in the next six weeks. And sometimes they aren’t six weeks apart. Sometimes they’re 12 weeks, but we make sure we do at least one for every each of the four main festivals.
Let that Old Energy Go bring that new energy in. And one of the things that I love about that ritual that we’ve started to do is I know that if I feel like I’m dragging myself a little because I’m getting close to invoke an energy of Christmases, all the stuff I did around Christmas, I’m bored of it now. It’s okay. Because I won’t be carrying it for the next three months I can let go. But also, I like that bit where we close our eyes and we imagine our future selves and what is she impressed with what is she created that we haven’t made yet. And therefore it also gives us the inspiration to go into the new phase. It’s okay she has achieved it or she’s it’s emotion. So I’ve got the momentum to keep going as
Camilla Fellas Arnold
I do love the ritual we’ve created it’s it’s like a bookend for me it really breaks up rather than because particularly as a self employed person, I’d been freelance before this for God knows how many years decade now, if you just keep going and going and going and when you’re on your own, it can be really hard to kind of realised actually, it’s okay to let these things go. And to keep that forward momentum. So these stops that we’ve now introduced these rituals for these different festivals. It really has given me a lightness. Because you can then just say, Do you know what I’m taking a moment to acknowledge the things I’ve done and be grateful for them. And you know, for the things that I didn’t do, I can let go of those two. And you just take that moment to kind of let that all seep in and then say okay, now what, what am I choosing now? Where am I going now? And it’s really powerful. I have to say, I mean, we’re recording this the day before in bulk. I am really looking forward to our ritual tomorrow. It’s it’s really needed because for me the biggest thing that I have done in this last period since the solstice it back in December was I have just handed in my coaching paperwork for my ILM qualification. It’s been ongoing for since last January. So well over a year now I said At the beginning of January, like 390 days later, here I am, handed it in, and I’m ready to energetically let it go as well. So that I’ve got space to bring in some new things, you know, look at those projects that I was trying to get over the line haven’t been able to for various reasons. And now we can say, Well, okay, in bulk, what new energy are we bringing in, whereas our focus now?
Emily Tuck
And I’ve interestingly enough, use it in a similar way. Knowing and watching, you take that for over 12 months. So not only, I mean, I saw your LinkedIn 390 days, that was really significant. Because even if you allow something to take a full 12 months to come around, so inbox inbox has 390 days goes beyond that. Yes. So even if it wasn’t that it is now it should have been, in a way, you’ve benefited from getting rid of it sooner. But we didn’t know you didn’t know what you didn’t know. I have used that wisdom of those seasons. And what we’ve learned in 2021. To say, right, I’m this phase of my coaching qualification, because I think it’s important that we get the paperwork. But I’m, I started mine in October. So I began mine, fairly close to Sauerwein or just before. And actually, I know whatever happened with the paperwork and filing all the coordinates, I cannot go beyond Beltane, which is first of May. It’s not about rushing or trying to do it quickly, it’s about I would need to recalibrate before piece. If I take any longer, I just would feel the energy run out and then I start to resent it and then I start to slow down. So we’ve learned over and as a consequence of partly watching your and partly what you need to set myself deadlines for the year based on these different events. So you know, how can we use Imbolc? Now, the things undoing over the next X number of weeks are the things I’ve done is I’m really looking at those New Year’s resolutions. Do I want them with a whole bunch of socially acceptable socially desirable answers, but right now I don’t care. Actually, I want to still achieve it. But maybe my road to achieving is different. So for example, I signed up on the 31st of December, beginning of the new year, I signed up for a multi author to be part of a multi author book, the first thing that will have been published with my name on it. So in terms of my creative endeavours, it’s quite a challenge to step out of my comfort zone and do it became a little bit slow, but that’s okay. I also know that I wasn’t ready to write anything. But I’m going to be using this power of emerald tonight we’ve met yourself. I wasn’t ready to say anything about it. I wasn’t ready to write anything, and put pen to paper at all. But I’m using this time from the first of February because now we’re starting to see the creative juices start to flow a little or at least I’m beginning to let it incubate more. What can I use during February, maybe between February March to get over the line and get that done? I didn’t need any support. So because of my toolkit and because of the work I do, what’s my subconscious self image that maybe needs a review at this point, so that I can be see myself as somebody who writes rather than not. If my subconscious self image says I’m not a writer, I will never get a written in a lifetime. But what can I do? How can I use this time to support the choices I want to make from choosing to invoke or the actions that they need to happen? What support do I need when you hire a coach? Do I need to go to hypnotherapist and don’t need to work with somebody like myself, so that I can put those into motion and keep those moving forward. One of the things I’m really looking forward to is you’re doing writing with the moon and it starts today and that’s how I’m going to use it. I’m going to write along with the moon. And it has a 90 day project. But I’m going to use it to keep me on task keep me on and you know again, working with those natural ebbs and flows, there’ll be a wax and wane of domain and use it with my natural rhythms and feed my plate rather than hinder it.
Camilla Fellas Arnold
That’s really nice. It’s just one of those things that I think it gives you permission to reap, be for me just that that idea that I can close that chapter. That’s huge that I can just, you know, start a fresh page, I can spend this time choosing who I want to be in the world. And I can choose it again. That’s gives you a lift, doesn’t it?
Emily Tuck
Yeah. And they talk about, you know, this, this concept of what Blue Monday and the bird weekend, the third week in January is a really depressing time. And some people got mixed views about that world where it’s a good thing or a bad thing, or if it’s just like a marketing thing. But actually, I think there’s an argument for it, you know, 10 days later is involved. I think there’s a thing for almost starting too early, first of January, right, start with it, and fight it. And, interestingly, the Chinese New Year is in February for a reason. They know that you’re not reading the Chinese New Year also from has to be initially a happens to also be tomorrow. Yes. Because it isn’t always because it’s moved slowly. But it’s always in February, but not in January, there’s a reason. Because now it knows that it’s time to look at those fresh ideas, those new concepts, so use it as an opportunity to review don’t want to be in 2022 and beyond. That’s how I’m using the power in book.
Camilla Fellas Arnold
Yeah, I think I completely agree with what you’re saying. And I think that’s the biggest message that I think we want to give the listeners that, you know, take this time to choose who you want to be what do you want to commit to recommit to reframe what do you want to let go of, it’s okay, that those New Year’s resolutions or those daily creative practices, etc, etc, it’s okay, if they didn’t really take off in January, you can start again, you know, a pagan Wheel of the Year looking at the Chinese New Year, all of the things start in February, for a reason. So give yourself permission to stop mugging yourself about it. It’s okay, we are so hard on ourselves about these things. Like, just give yourself a break, cut yourself some slack, it’s okay, you can recommit in the next breath. And choose and choose and choose again, you can always choose again.
Emily Tuck
So that’s what I would look at it and know, who do I want to choose to be in the world? What’s the change I want to make around my creative process so that that can be created? If that’s the legacy I want to give the world then what do I choose today? So I can harvest that later. But the one thing I really love from both our ritual, but also from the way that I now approach these festivals is if I looked down window downstream into my future, what’s the thing I’m using the power of this festival? The my future self is proud of? Oh, that’s lovely. What is it she’s benefiting from, that I’ve chosen today. And you know, sometimes when I do a meditation like that, or a ritual like that, my future self is not always impressed with the choices I’ve made. Sometimes, she’s going, Oh, come on, we could have done more with it. And sometimes she’s looking at me going well done. I’m so pleased that you’re doing. And I love that part of our ritual where we call in who needs to be here from six weeks ago? Who needs to be here in the next six weeks. And I remember there was a choice I was making. And my future. My past self was almost saying, Well, I’m glad that six weeks later, you are in a better position to make this choice. And the version of me from six weeks later was going thank God that you have also stuck with it. Remember when we did our one for the solstice? Nope, it wasn’t the solstice. We did one back in October for sewing before the Halloween for the the. And we sat there in end of October beginning of November. And we call those our future selves and our parcels in my what, how can we use the power of and my self from the solstice at Christmas and the solstice on the 21st of December was like, Thank God you’ve stuck with something that quite frankly other people would have been. Other people wouldn’t have had the insurance to keep going but you can’t know and and you and I both know that what essentially how then it was we had a whole set of clients arrive on Christmas Eve. Yes. Well, if I hadn’t stuck with it, if I’d gone well, this isn’t working, and just given up and thrown everything, that would never happened, because I was using the power of these phases. Look at it and 30 She’s telling me to stick with it. So I’m gonna stick with it. So I’m really looking forward to tomorrow to find out what version of me further up the run or further back, the man is happy about benefiting from and reaping the rewards.
Camilla Fellas Arnold
It’s really powerful stuff. And I know that at some point, I don’t know when or what, what it’s going to look like, but we will share this ritual with the world. Because it’s, it’s so impactful. It really is. Thank you so much for sharing. It’s been really, really interesting. And I hope that my listeners are getting an idea of who they want to be realising that actually, it’s okay to let some stuff go. Okay to read, choose, recommit reframe all of the RE words. And I hope that they’ve enjoyed listening to have a little ramble. And thank you so much for your time today. It’s been such a pleasure. How can people find you if they want to know more.
Emily Tuck
So if you want to know more about my work to do, or Lily, then my website is emilytuck.com, podcast is Lilith Speaks. And you can also connect or find me on LinkedIn as I much prefer the energy of that social social platform itself. So find me on LinkedIn, check out Lilith Speaks and Emilytuck.com If you want to know more about working with me as a client, and also was a couple
Camilla Fellas Arnold
and she does it very, very well. I might just add, I will put all those links in the show notes. Thank you so much for being here today.
Emily Tuck
Thank you for inviting me.
Camilla Fellas Arnold
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